Olds Trumpets and Cornets on eBay Dec 2002 - Jan 2003


Here is a survey of eBay closing prices for Olds Ambassador trumpets and cornets, conducted by Ingrid Halonen between Feb 7, 2003 and April 4, 2003.Following is Ingrid's description of the survey, followed by the data. Enjoy!


Introduction:


This is a survey of Olds Ambassador model trumpets and cornets that were successfully auctioned on eBay between Feb 7, 2003 and April 4, 2003.


I excluded Ambassadors from my last Olds survey with the statement, “I am not including Ambassadors because there are just so many for sale that it would ruin my fun to keep track of all of them.” That was a truthful statement, but I felt that something was missing in my last survey because I was excluding the model of trumpet that I personally played as a child and young adult.


Because I am concentrating on one model only, I am going to be able to collect data which should reflect the desirability of Ambassadors from different eras of production and also include cornets in this survey. **** ***** (Thanks ****!) defined 5 year and serial number ranges for me to group Ambassadors into based on changes in the model and the F.E. Olds company.


Group 1 2x,xxx-70,000 Los Angeles production Ambassadors with right hand pinky ring and on

trumpets only, a nickel-silver 3rd valve slide and nickel-silver brace footings until about 1952.


Group 2 70,000-247,000 Los Angeles and perhaps 4 years of Fullerton production Ambassadors

with right hand pinky ring. Pinky rings lasted until about 1958.


Group 3 247,000-475,000 Fullerton production Ambassadors with a right hand pinky hook. Pre-

Norlin/Olds/Reynolds merger until sometime in 1964.


Group 4 475,000-700,000 Fullerton post-merger production until around 1970 when Kanstul left

the company. Group 3 and 4 horns are essentially identical.


Group 5 700,000-A4x,xxx Post 1970 production



Abbreviation Definitions: GFC Guess From Case I will use this when no serial # is

provided, the case looks original

and I can make a reasonable guess

as to the date of manufacture.

T/C Trumpet/Cornet

HM Highly Modified This means part substitutions such

as custom leadpipes or engravings.

SM Slightly Modified Such as new lacquer or additional

slide trigger

PR Pinky Ring

PH Pinky Hook

NP No Photo


Rating System:


I will rate the trumpets and cornets included in my survey on a 1 to 4 scale based on my interpretation of the item descriptions and photos as follows:


1 Not playable, but complete in parts

2 Poor appearance

3 Good appearance

4 Like new






Item Number Serial Number
Price Date Rating T/C Group








Group 1 Trumpets






2508292175 63442
$51.00 Feb-23-03 1 ½ T 1
2508567070 42815
$71.00 Feb-24-03 2 T 1
2512987726 55655
$135.51 Mar-09-03 2 ½ T 1
2517220705 45507
$103.50 Mar-29-03 3 T 1
2518568210 65830
$102.50 Mar-31-03 2 ½ T 1
5 sold
Average $92.70


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Group 1 Cornets






2505515861 67387
$47.00 Feb-09-03 1 ½ C 1
2508311090 67324
$103.49 Feb-20-03 2 ½ C 1
2514875633 47136
$105.00 Mar-16-03 3 C 1
3 sold
Average $85.16


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Group 2 Trumpets






2505110299 73976
$167.50 Feb-07-03 2 ½ T 2
2506168035 98098
$76.00 Feb-08-03 2 T 2
2504877126 ad states ‘50s
$124.75 Feb-09-03 3 T 2 PR
2509769312 242XXX
$84.00 Feb-23-03 2 ½ T 2
2509268132 207xxx
$100.01 Feb-23-03 2 ½ T 2
2510537836 220824
$53.00 Feb-27-03 1 ½ T 2
2510546622 none given
$46.00 Feb-27-03 2 T 2 PR
2511593080 151059
$61.00 Mar-06-03 1 ½ T 2
2512023555 74036
$250.00 Mar-08-03 4 T 2
2514977178 203132
$158.50 Mar-13-03 2 ½ T 2
2514525350 227xxx
$159.00 Mar-15-03 3 T 2
2516420377 176057
$240.00 Mar-23-03 3 ½ T 2 SM
2515934985 220xxx
$87.79 Mar-23-03 2 T 2
2518350454 249766
$53.00 Mar-28-03 2 T 2 PR
2517992540 221033
$50.00 Mar-29-03 2 ½ T 2
2518665986 92710
$198.50 Apr-01-03 3 ½ T 2 SM
16 sold
Average $119.32


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Group 2 Cornets






2505548151 83145
$47.00 Feb-09-03 2 C 2
2506595127 248xxx
$50.00 Feb-12-03 2 C 2 PR
2509179335 186514
$105.50 Feb-23-03 3 ½ C 2
2510972347 none given
$65.99 Mar-01-03 2 C 2 PR
2511258180 none given
$62.01 Mar-02-03 2 C 2 PR
2513803529 186514
$66.00 Mar-12-03 2 C 2
2514347000 110554
$47.00 Mar-12-03 1 ½ C 2
2520141103 1500xx
$100.00 Mar-31-03 2 C 2
8 sold
Average $67.94


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Group 3 Trumpets






2505486395 423784
$243.50 Feb-09-03 3 ½ T 3
2506051586 254428
$51.00 Feb-11-03 2 ½ T 3
2507719055 443174
$78.00 Feb-17-03 2 ½ T 3
2507821956 313073
$68.00 Feb-18-03 2 T 3
2507944366 445033
$62.01 Feb-18-03 1 ½ T 3
2508699252 none given
$67.00 Feb-21-03 2 ½ T 3 GFC
2508826788 289xxx
$152.50 Feb-22-03 3 T 3 SM
2509213303 362361
$66.05 Feb-23-03 3 T 3
2511012745 357950
$117.50 Mar-01-03 3 ½ T 3
2511732263 358XXX
$100.00 Mar-02-03 2 ½ T 3
2511523868 255576
$175.00 Mar-02-03 3 T 3
2514525442 355685
$91.00 Mar-15-03 2 ½ T 3
2514864358 none given
$162.50 Mar-16-03 3 T 3 GFC
2517537269 453006
$63.03 Mar-25-03 2 T 3
14 sold
Average $106.94


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Group 3 Cornets






2518346841 371931
$43.99 Mar-30-03 3 C 3
2507627929 379135
$110.00 Feb-11-03 3 C 3
2506969080 392358
$25.00 Feb-14-03 1 C 3
2509109789 none given
$78.50 Feb-23-03 3 C 3 GFC
2510134487 none given
$75.00 Feb-26-03 2 C 3 GFC
2511243627 351059
$66.01 Feb-28-03 2 C 3
2511320253 279209
$67.66 Mar-02-03 1 ½ C 3
2511377002 none given
$56.00 Mar-03-03 2 ½ C 3 GFC
2514017248 257383
$205.00 Mar-11-03 3 ½ C 3
2514867249 none given
$49.99 Mar-16-03 2 ½ C 3 GFC
2515861866 397631
$78.99 Mar-18-03 2 ½ C 3
2515938016 none given
$43.00 Mar-23-03 2 C 3 GFC
12 sold
Average $74.93


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Group 4 Trumpets






2505437515 624738
$43.50 Feb-09-03 2 T 4
2506221578 699683
$358.01 Feb-12-03 4 T 4
2508453335 491XXX
$255.00 Feb-20-03 3 T 4
2511339093 ad states 1966
$56.00 Mar-02-03 2 ½ T 4
2512267988 522230
$61.00 Mar-04-03 2 ½ T 4
2512023216 ad states 1969
$249.00 Mar-05-03 4 T 4
2514879461 539629
$68.00 Mar-16-03 2 T 4
2514755899 686865
$143.50 Mar-19-03 3 T 4
2516667514 527201
$61.60 Mar-23-03 2 T 4
9 sold
Average $143.96


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Group 4 Cornets






2516124096 none given
$42.41 Mar-24-03 2 ½ C 4 GFC
2519031464 683256
$62.25 Mar-31-03 2 C 4
2505437280 not given
$34.15 Feb-09-03 2 C 4 GFC
2505681012 529620
$117.50 02/11/03 3 C 4
2507357437 551xxx
$100.00 Feb-12-03 2 C 4
2508797320 652111
$23.00 Feb-22-03 2 ½ C 4
2509176931 606,xxx
$75.00 Feb-23-03 3 C 4
2514233098 535703
$36.00 Mar-14-03 1 ½ C 4
2516132199 529XXX
$250.00 Mar-16-03 4 C 4
2515563306 627778
$38.00 Mar-19-03 1 ½ C 4
2516486793 622898
$37.00 Mar-23-03 2 C 4
11 sold
Average $74.12


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Group 5 Trumpets






2507351684 A07441
$100.00 Feb-09-03 2 T 5
2504909527 710762
$117.50 02/10/03 2 ½ T 5
2505788521 930389
$62.01 Feb-10-03 2 T 5
2505354125 ad states late ‘70s
$135.00 Feb-10-03 2 ½ T 5
2508792153 827233
$124.99 Feb-17-03 3 T 5
2507770591 705344
$58.00 Feb-17-03 1 T 5
2508836340 860xxx
$37.00 Feb-22-03 1 T 5
2509473249 A02466
$76.00 Feb-24-03 3 T 5
2510177592 none given
$76.00 Feb-26-03 3 T 5 GFC
2510900165 984022
$72.39 Mar-01-03 2 ½ T 5
2510799686 895972
$56.00 Mar-03-03 2 T 5
2513318809 none given
$99.00 Mar-04-03 2 ½ T 5 GFC
2512175203 none given
$76.00 Mar-06-03 2 ½ T 5 GFC
2511498123 729248
$88.87 Mar-06-03 2 T 5
2512345804 none given
$99.99 Mar-06-03 2 ½ T 5 GFC
2513845638 878793
$100.00 Mar-10-03 2 ½ T 5
2513354331 none given
$152.50 Mar-10-03 3 T 5 GFC
2516105278 901246
$99.00 Mar-17-03 3 T 5
2515235400 none given
$46.00 Mar-18-03 1 ½ T 5 GFC
2515877803 735688
$97.26 Mar-20-03 2 ½ T 5
2515977594 none given
$43.52 Mar-21-03 2 T 5 GFC
2516839989 861780
$71.00 Mar-24-03 2 ½ T 5
2518873049 890xxx
$41.01 Mar-28-03 2 T 5
2515915355 A46103
$60.00 Mar-29-03 1 T 5
2518829566 930230
$117.50 Apr-01-03 3 T 5
2518785480 987164
$242.50 Apr-04-03 4 T 5
26 sold
Average $90.35


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Group 5 Cornets






2506780896 736531
$76.25 02/10/03 2 C 5
2506192156 903187
$148.71 Feb-12-03 2 ½ C 5
2506992595 850408
$99.00 Feb-14-03 2 C 5
2508626694 850712
$150.00 Feb-21-03 3 C 5
2509917052 states A5 model
$132.50 Feb-26-03 3 C 5 GFC
2511336072 927185
$135.00 Feb-26-03 3 C 5
2510414810 800888
$76.00 Feb-27-03 2 C 5
2511786786 858018
$34.00 Mar-02-03 1 C 5
2515531943 none given
$66.00 Mar-19-03 3 C 5 GFC
2515602894 792505
$51.00 Mar-19-03 2 C 5
2517539962 800888
$85.00 Mar-21-03 2 ½ C 5
2516318917 ad states ‘70s
$174.50 Mar-22-03 3 ½ C 5 GFC
2515841165 none given
$75.00 Mar-23-03 2 ½ C 5 GFC
2517645428 747220
$77.55 Mar-27-03 3 C 5
2518610083 none given
$51.00 Mar-31-03 2 ½ C 5 GFC
15 sold
Average $95.43


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Misc.






2505534944 none given
$112.50 Feb-09-03 NP NP NP
2505818871 none given
$65.00 Feb-10-03 2 ½ T PH
2510667477 none given
$102.50 Feb-28-03 2 ½ T PH
2512428732 none given
$45.00 Feb-28-03 2 ½ C PH
2513492796 none given
$66.00 Mar-11-03 2 C PR
2514108017 none given
$43.00 Mar-13-03 2 C PH
2515580556 none given
$203.50 Mar-19-03 4 T PH
2516599161 none given
$62.00 Mar-23-03 1 ½ T PH
2516621832 none given
$405.00 Mar-23-03 4 EbT PH
2517348797 none given
$44.44 Mar-26-03 1 ½ T PH
2514098244 778275
$36.55 Mar-11-03 NP NP 5

All Trumpets 75 sold ave. $106.56

All Cornets 52 sold ave. $78.83


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